In a game at Comp REL, Achim untaps with a Nyx Weaver in play and mills two cards during his upkeep. In his second main phase, after several other game actions have occured, he casts Omenspeaker and scries one card to the bottom, one to the top. When Neo passes turn to him the next time, he directly draws for turn and leaves Neo no chance to remind him of the missed trigger before Achim shuffles the drawn card into his hand. Neo calls you over and explains that Achim knew the card he mistakenly drew. He does not accuse him of cheating, but also does not want him to keep the card he was able to “choose”. Achim tells you that he completely forgot about the Nyx Weaver over the course of his turn and left a “game-winning” card on top with Omenspeaker, at that point certain that he would legally draw it next turn.
Assuming that you have no reason to believe that Achim intentionally missed the trigger - how would you rule?

Edited Fabian Henneke (April 25, 2015 09:42:25 AM)

If Achim convinced me that he genuinely forgot the trigger, I would issue
him a warning, and ask his opponent wether he wants to put the ability on
the stack or not, as covered on MIPG2.1

“ If the triggered ability isn’t covered by the previous two paragraphs,
the opponent chooses whether the triggered ability is added to the stack.
If it is, it’s inserted at the appropriate place on the stack if possible
or on the bottom of the stack. No player may make choices involving objects
that were not in the appropriate zone or zones when the ability should have
triggered. For example, if the ability instructs a player to sacrifice a
creature, that player can't sacrifice a creature that wasn't on the
battlefield when the ability should have triggered.”

Trying to perform a backup on this situation leads to a deviation from how
we should handle missed trigger infractions.
El abr 24, 2015 9:28 PM, “Fabian Henneke” <

Is there a good way to explain to Neo why this is “fair”? Even after the penalty, the opponent certainly got an advantage out of the situation that Neo can not control. To Neo, the difference to “Drawing Extra Cards” might not be clear.

While the rules do not put the burden on Neo to remind Achim about his triggered abilities, doing so if he wants them to happen is a good idea, especially if not doing so will lead to irreparable game state.

- Emilien

> Is there a good way to explain to Neo why this is “fair”? Even after the penalty, the opponent certainly got an advantage out of the situation that Neo can not control. To Neo, the difference to “Drawing Extra
>

Whenever there is an error, there is the opportunity for someone to gain an advantage. The policies are in place to reduce/mitigate any advantage gained, but we can't necessarily eliminate it without overcompensating.

I believe there are 2 possibilities: 1. Achim did not untap his permanents, and directly drew, meaning Neo did not have a chance to remind him the trigger. In this case, I would rule GL for DEC. 2. Achim correctly untapped his permanents before drawing the card for his turn, letting Neo a chance to stop him before drawing. In this case (if we exclude cheating), it's just a warning for MT, and we can tell Neo that he could remember Achim the trigger at the correct moment, since he had a chance of pointing it out.

Edited Renato Spinelli (April 27, 2015 10:04:43 PM)

Originally posted by Renato Spinelli:

1. Achim did not untap his permanents, and directly drew, meaning Neo did not have a chance to remind him the trigger. In this case, I would rule GL for DEC

Let me ask: if the player drew a card before removing a suspend counter from his or her Greater Gargadon, would you issue DEC there? Would you put the line at all missed triggers, all detrimental triggers, all triggers involving the library… you can see where this gets messy, and why I'd argue that this doesn't fit within the definition of DEC.

If NAP has been watching AP draw before untapping all game long, and wants to make sure that AP has to mill the card he scryed, he should say something like, “Pass the turn, don't forget to mill before you draw.” Players can always remind their opponents of their triggers… and probably should, if they think it'll help them win!

Now, if NAP has been untapping before drawing the entire game, but draws before untapping this time, it's probably not out of line to ask a couple questions about it, but I think your options here come down to Missed Trigger or Cheating, not DEC.

Originally posted by John Brian McCarthy:

If NAP has been watching AP draw before untapping all game long, and wants to make sure that AP has to mill the card he scryed, he should say something like, “Pass the turn, don't forget to mill before you draw.”

This is a perfect example of what we should say to NAP in order to make him understand how he could have avoided his opponent gaining advantage from a MT. But still I am not very confident with AP gaining advantage from his own infraction and NAP unable to do anything to prevent that (the trigger is considered missed when he draws for the turn, too late to fix).

Originally posted by John Brian McCarthy:

Let me ask: if the player drew a card before removing a suspend counter from his or her Greater Gargadon, would you issue DEC there? Would you put the line at all missed triggers, all detrimental triggers, all triggers involving the library… you can see where this gets messy, and why I'd argue that this doesn't fit within the definition of DEC.

Really good points. I assume ruling DEC is wrong then.