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shuffling on resolution

Jan. 23, 2013 02:19:12 AM

Rodney Edwards
Judge (Uncertified)

USA - Southwest

shuffling on resolution

If a spell like Beacon of unrest gains rebound would you be able to exile it until next upkeep or do you have to shuffle on the spells resolution.


Thank

Jan. 23, 2013 02:52:00 AM

Todd Bussey
Judge (Uncertified)

None

shuffling on resolution

“Rebound” means “If this spell was cast from your hand, instead of putting it into your graveyard as it resolves, exile it and, at the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast this card from exile without paying its mana cost.”
The spell normally goes to the graveyard as the last step of resolving, Rebound changes where it goes in some cases instead. However, Beacon of Unrest has an instruction to move the spell to the library before it finishes resolving so rebound wouldn't apply even if it had it via Cast Through Time

see the Gatherer Ruling for Cast Through Time as well
6/15/2010 If a spell moves itself into another zone as part of its resolution (as Arc Blade, All Suns' Dawn, and Beacon of Unrest do), rebound won't get a chance to apply.

Edited Todd Bussey (Jan. 23, 2013 02:56:02 AM)

Jan. 23, 2013 02:56:08 AM

Andrew Teo
Judge (Uncertified), Tournament Organizer

Southeast Asia

shuffling on resolution

Hi, from Gatherer's ruling on Cast Through Time:
6/15/2010 If a spell moves itself into another zone as part of its resolution (as Arc Blade, All Suns' Dawn, and Beacon of Unrest do), rebound won't get a chance to apply.

Jan. 23, 2013 03:37:51 AM

Justin Miyashiro
Judge (Uncertified)

USA - Southwest

shuffling on resolution

Not really a discussion point, but an interesting observation that Rebound
specifically cares about the card going to the graveyard as part of
resolution so that it can replace that event by exiling it.

Side note: Does Rebound interact at all with spells with Buyback? That is,
if I cast a Capsize and pay the buyback cost while I control Cast Through
Time, will I get to choose the order the replacement effects of Buyback and
Rebound take effect?

Jan. 23, 2013 03:49:35 AM

Josh Stansfield
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Foundry))

USA - Pacific West

shuffling on resolution

Originally posted by CR:

“Rebound” means “If this spell was cast from your hand, instead of putting it into your graveyard as it resolves, exile it and, at the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast this card from exile without paying its mana cost.”

“Buyback [cost]” means “You may pay an additional [cost] as you cast this spell” and “If the buyback cost was paid, put this spell into its owner’s hand instead of into that player’s graveyard as it resolves.”

Buyback creates a replacement effect, and so does Rebound. Both are replacing the same thing: Put this spell into a graveyard as it resolves. As the controller of the affected object, you choose which to apply first, and the other becomes no longer applicable. So you can either return it to your hand or exile it with rebound.

Presumably, you'll choose to put it in your hand since you went to the effort to pay the Buyback cost… ;)

Edited Josh Stansfield (Jan. 23, 2013 03:52:29 AM)

Jan. 23, 2013 05:01:49 PM

Gareth Tanner
Judge (Level 2 (UK Magic Officials))

United Kingdom, Ireland, and South Africa

shuffling on resolution

Originally posted by Josh Stansfield:

CR
“Rebound” means “If this spell was cast from your hand, instead of putting it into your graveyard as it resolves, exile it and, at the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast this card from exile without paying its mana cost.”

“Buyback [cost]” means “You may pay an additional [cost] as you cast this spell” and “If the buyback cost was paid, put this spell into its owner’s hand instead of into that player’s graveyard as it resolves.”

Buyback creates a replacement effect, and so does Rebound. Both are replacing the same thing: Put this spell into a graveyard as it resolves. As the controller of the affected object, you choose which to apply first, and the other becomes no longer applicable. So you can either return it to your hand or exile it with rebound.

Presumably, you'll choose to put it in your hand since you went to the effort to pay the Buyback cost… ;)

But wouldn't Buyback be classed as a self replacement effect and as such is applied first?

Jan. 23, 2013 05:15:41 PM

Aaron Huntsman
Judge (Uncertified)

USA - Great Lakes

shuffling on resolution

Originally posted by Gareth Tanner:

But wouldn't Buyback be classed as a self replacement effect and as such is applied first?

Nope. Self-replacements modify a spell or ability's own effects - Galvanic Blast, for example, has a self-replacement. Buyback and Rebound replace the last part of spell resolution, which is an effect of the game rules, not the spell itself.

Jan. 24, 2013 01:02:13 AM

Todd Bussey
Judge (Uncertified)

None

shuffling on resolution

From Gatherer again
6/15/2010 If a replacement effect would cause a spell with rebound that you cast from your hand to be put somewhere else instead of your graveyard (such as Leyline of the Void might), you choose whether to apply the rebound effect or the other effect as the spell resolves.