Alright, here's a question I just thought of and I was wondering what others thought. There is a rule on the books which states that if a card has multiple triggers that trigger off the same condition, that if one of the triggers is acknowledged they are all considered to be acknowledged (e.g. if a player controls a Jeskai Ascendancy and then loots after casting a spell, he has not missed his +1+1 trigger ilwhen he goes to combat. Albeit this is no longer relevant with the last Missed Triggers update, but it came up once at a tournament I was working at). So here's a question based on that:

Player controls Monastery Mentor. He casts a conditional sweeper (say, Drown in Sorrow) which would kill the token made by Mentor's second trigger but not kill the Mentor itself without Prowess (say Drown in Sorrow as the second noncreature spell played in the turn). The player does not acknowledge putting the token into play, but goes to combat and attacks with the Mentor, noting that it got Prowess from casting the sweeper. Since the player did not acknowledge the first trigger and did not put the token into play (assume no cheating; one possible reason is that since the token would die immediately anyway the player just didn't acknowledge it at all), does the Prowess trigger count as missed?

Originally posted by Lyle Waldman:

There is a rule on the books which states that if a card has multiple triggers that trigger off the same condition, that if one of the triggers is acknowledged they are all considered to be acknowledged

Lyle I couldn't find any such rule in the MTR, IPG, or the JAR. Could you site your source for this rule? Thanks.

I think you're confusing a single trigger with two effects,

e.g. Favored Hoplite (where if you put the +1/+1 counter on, you didn't miss the “prevent all damage” part of the trigger, alternatively if you don't put on the counters you've forgotten all of the trigger)

and the two different triggers that come off of Jeskai Ascendancy.

There was a situation at a tournament I was judging when I was an L1 where a player acknowledged his Jeskai Ascendancy loot trigger, and then when he went to combat something weird happened which led his opponent to believe he may have missed his trigger (this was before the change to the “visual effect on the game” thing). At the time I asked my L2 HJ who said something to the effect of “if he has recognized one trigger, it is reasonable to assume he recognized both”.

Originally posted by Lyle Waldman:

Alright, here's a question I just thought of and I was wondering what others thought. There is a rule on the books which states that if a card has multiple triggers that trigger off the same condition, that if one of the triggers is acknowledged they are all considered to be acknowledged (e.g. if a player controls a Jeskai Ascendancy and then loots after casting a spell, he has not missed his +1+1 trigger ilwhen he goes to combat. Albeit this is no longer relevant with the last Missed Triggers update, but it came up once at a tournament I was working at). So here's a question based on that:

Prowess doesn't have a visible change to the game state. An example of this is if the increases were due to +1/+1 counters, but we do not have a visible representation for a creature gaining +1/+1 until end of turn. By not moving the Mentor to his graveyard the player has demonstrated awareness of his prowess trigger.

Jeskai Ascendancy is a weird one, however, for a few reasons. First, we are certain that the +1/+1 trigger was missed if no creatures were untapped by it. We also cannot assume that the +1/+1 was missed if there were no creatures to untap and the looting trigger didn't happen as the second trigger is a may ability.