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Sleep Paralysis missed trigger?

May 4, 2016 02:11:22 PM

David Záleský
Judge (Uncertified)

Europe - Central

Sleep Paralysis missed trigger?

Because it really means pass priority until the OPPONENT has priority in
the end step. That means that when you propose the shortcut, you tell the
opponent “I don't want do do anything else in Main Phase, I want to move to
End Step and pass priority.” and when the opponent accepts the shortcut (by
untapping or going for draw, or doing something in the End step), the
trigger is missed, because it can't be on the stack in the End step.

2016-05-04 21:04 GMT+02:00 Eli Meyer <forum-26800-6996@apps.magicjudges.org>
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May 4, 2016 02:30:39 PM

Rob McKenzie
Judge (Level 5 (Judge Foundry)), Scorekeeper

USA - Plains

Sleep Paralysis missed trigger?

What David said. “Go” as a shortcut means specifically:
“The statement “Go” (and equivalents such as “Your turn” and “Done”) offers
to keep passing priority until an opponent has priority in the end step.
Opponents are assumed to be acting then unless they specify otherwise.”

The important phrasing is “offers to keep passing priority”. “Go” does not
imply one priority pass, it implies many.

If I don't immediately (as in, before I actually let them do something)
point out this trigger, we are in the end step, and they first have
priority. “Go and tap your creature” and I'd rule it not missed. “Go” and
wait for a response means it is missed - this is not anything Nolan has
control over. If he casts a spell after Asha says “Go” and does not
specify when he is doing it, it is being cast in the end step, correct?
That means she is saying “I have no actions either until the end step or
you say you are acting before the end step” when she says “Go”.

Remember, the trigger is not something that happens in the end step. It
happens in the main phase, after Sleep Paralysis resolves. If I end up
with priority at all after that and have not indicated the trigger (and it
is not some kind of out of order sequencing), I'm past the point where the
trigger should have resolved and created a visible change on the game.



Rob McKenzie
Magic Judge Level III
Judge Regional Coordinator USA-North
Minnesota

May 4, 2016 04:41:38 PM

Eli Meyer
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Foundry))

USA - Northeast

Sleep Paralysis missed trigger?

Originally posted by Rob McKenzie:

Remember, the trigger is not something that happens in the end step. It
happens in the main phase, after Sleep Paralysis resolves. If I end up
with priority at all after that and have not indicated the trigger (and it
is not some kind of out of order sequencing), I'm past the point where the
trigger should have resolved and created a visible change on the game.

I'm aware, but I'm also considering how I've seen real players play the real game. “Paralysis your guy, go” is something players say to save time when they're trying to play quickly, and I'd never interpret that to mean a missed trigger. When I say that, I'll expect my opponent to tap his creature on his own but if he doesn't, I'll reach over and tap his guy as he's untapping. “Go” is offering to pass priority through the trigger resolving.

Note that that's not necessarily what happened in the OP. If I were taking that call, I'd have to ask some questions on timing, pauses, and so on.

But based on how I play, and based on my understanding of the game state, I don't think that saying “go” after Sleep Paralysis automatically constitutes a missed trigger.

May 10, 2016 06:18:26 AM

Marc Shotter
Judge (Uncertified)

United Kingdom, Ireland, and South Africa

Sleep Paralysis missed trigger?

I think what you're describing Eli is covered by OoOS. The OP sounds likely to be a Missed trigger in my opinion given the ‘go’ untap and draw, but definitely worth asking how it played out in case Nolan rushed through.