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Triggers, instants & shortcuts

May 19, 2016 05:04:45 AM

Toby Hazes
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Academy))

BeNeLux

Triggers, instants & shortcuts

Norp goes “sac scion, zulaport trigger, collected company”. Abe wants to respond to the company. Where is the Zulaport trigger at this point?

EDIT: could the shortcut apply here that the trigger is assumed to be resolved before company is cast?

Edited Toby Hazes (May 19, 2016 06:39:20 AM)

May 19, 2016 05:08:43 AM

Dan Collins
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Judge (Level 5 (Judge Foundry)), Scorekeeper

USA - Northeast

Triggers, instants & shortcuts

It depends, it's either on top of or below the Collected Company, depending on whether Norp has chosen to cast Company after saccing the Scion (in response to the Zulaport Cutthroat trigger), or decided to sac the Scion during the process of casting the Collected Company. While his language suggests he's doing the former, the only way to be sure is to ask Norp. If this information is relevant to Abe's decisions, he should ask.

May 19, 2016 05:09:28 AM

Nathan Long
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Judge (Level 2 (Judge Foundry))

USA - Southwest

Triggers, instants & shortcuts

It can be in one of two places: it could be on the stack above the Company (if they sacrificed the Scion for mana during the announcement of the Company), or it could be below the Company (if they sacrificed the Scion for mana, then cast the Company in response to the Cutthroat trigger). If they want to make a play based on where that trigger is, they should ask Norp for clarification about where it is on the stack.

May 19, 2016 07:28:37 AM

Gregory Titov
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Academy))

Canada - Eastern Provinces

Triggers, instants & shortcuts

Based on the way they said it, I'd say that the trigger is under the company, but I could be easily swayed based on any previous encounters or any physical actions.

It seems to me like he's simply proposing a sequence of actions, and since he didn't specify that he was sacing the scion as part of casting the company, I'd default to ‘he sacced it before casting’ since that's what most players do.

May 19, 2016 01:44:01 PM

Pascal Gemis
Judge (Level 1 (Judge Academy))

BeNeLux

Triggers, instants & shortcuts

Ask Norp. He's probably the more able to tell you if the trigger is resolved or still on the stack and where on the stack.

Edited Pascal Gemis (May 19, 2016 01:44:35 PM)