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Legacy and Modern deck sharing a deck box

May 26, 2016 08:16:24 PM

Robert Langmaid
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Foundry)), Scorekeeper, Tournament Organizer

Canada - Eastern Provinces

Legacy and Modern deck sharing a deck box

So for both legacy and modern a player at my LGS plays burn and normally keeps the deck in a 100 card deck box with black sleeves for the format he is currently playing and green sleeves for the other 25 or so cards that get switched out when he changes formats. If he were to bring his deck box like this to a modern gp would there be a deck check problem? How about if it was Legacy?

May 26, 2016 09:01:51 PM

John Carter
Judge (Level 3 (Judge Academy)), Tournament Organizer

USA - Pacific Northwest

Legacy and Modern deck sharing a deck box

There is a simple solution for pretty much all concerns related to too many cards and not enough boxes, and it's easy to teach players…

Present your deck and sideboard.

Let's look at the IPG for 3.5. Tournament Error — Deck/Decklist Problem:
Bullet point #4 is “The contents of the presented deck and sideboard do not match the decklist registered.”

People run into problems because they generally don't present their deck and sideboard, so the deck and whatever is in the box default to “presented.” However, a player could formally present a deck and sideboard and short circuit problems with cards in a box. Here's how:

1) Open box
2) Take deck out of box
3) Take sideboard out of box
4) Close box
5) Indicate the sideboard is your sideboard

Tah-dah.

By taking the deck and sideboard out of the box and formally presenting them, the player separates those cards from whatever else might be in the box. Since the box is closed, the player clearly shows that he or she is in no way accessing anything other than the presented cards. And since DDL hinges on presented cards matching or not matching, the player can clearly state that the deck and sideboard as presented match (assuming they didn't make a traditional DDL error).

When I teach players this, i let them know that we prefer to have the box be only the matching cards. However, this does give us a methodology whereby players can adapt their behavior to meet the IPG expectations even if they have extra cards laying around.

May 27, 2016 05:46:31 AM

Francesco Scialpi
Judge (Level 2 (International Judge Program))

Italy and Malta

Legacy and Modern deck sharing a deck box

Originally posted by Robert Langmaid:

So for both legacy and modern a player at my LGS plays burn and normally keeps the deck in a 100 card deck box with black sleeves for the format he is currently playing and green sleeves for the other 25 or so cards that get switched out when he changes formats. If he were to bring his deck box like this to a modern gp would there be a deck check problem? How about if it was Legacy?

At a Modern GP, if all extra cards are Legacy-legal but not Modern-legal, you get away with that (but judges will hate you).
At a Legacy GP, you are asking for trouble.

May 28, 2016 02:42:22 AM

Jakob Lernhage
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Academy)), Tournament Organizer

Europe - North

Legacy and Modern deck sharing a deck box

An addon on Johns post, remember to mention that they cant put the sb back in the Box during the game. In fact, its better that they remove thebox from the table to avoid confusio (such as dcjudge grabing the box)

Edited Jakob Lernhage (May 28, 2016 02:43:20 AM)

May 30, 2016 04:56:43 AM

Joaquín Pérez
Judge (Level 2 (International Judge Program)), Tournament Organizer

Iberia

Legacy and Modern deck sharing a deck box

I've played both Legacy and Modern versions of Burn in the last BoM, but used different deckboxes.

Not using them, although legal if done carefully as stated by Carter, is really stressful and prone to D/DLP easily.

I'd strongly advise that player about bringing another deckbox and keep everything “played currently at this tournament” in the same deckbox.