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"Return under it's owners control"

April 18, 2013 11:19:21 PM

Tim Hughes
Judge (Uncertified)

Australia and New Zealand

"Return under it's owners control"

Anurid Brushhopper 1GreenWhite (3)
Creature — Frog Beast (3/4)

Discard two cards: Exile Anurid Brushhopper. Return it to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.


Aetherling 4UU
Creature - Shapeshifter
U: Exile Aetherling. Return it to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.
U: Aetherling is unblockable this turn.
1: Aetherling gets +1/-1 until end of turn.
1: Aetherling gets -1/+1 until end of turn.
4/5




If you use a card like Threaten to take either of the above, and after Threaten resolves, choose to use the ability to exile the creature and return under it's owners control… who is the one that has to remember the return trigger?

My assumption is that the player who controlled the creature when the ability was activated.

April 19, 2013 12:18:36 AM

Kaylee Mullins
Judge (Uncertified)

USA - Great Lakes

"Return under it's owners control"

Whoever activated the ability controls the delayed triggered ability.

603.7e If an activated or triggered ability creates a delayed triggered ability, the source of that delayed triggered ability is the same as the source of that other ability. The controller of that delayed triggered ability is the player who controlled that other ability as it resolved.

April 19, 2013 08:08:51 AM

Nick Rutkowski
Judge (Uncertified)

USA - Pacific West

"Return under it's owners control"

As pointed out the person who activated the ability is responsible for the
trigger. However under the additional remedy section of missed triggers we
find a special inclusion. If a delayed trigger that would change the zone
of an object would be missed, resolve it. The opponent would then choose to
resolve it immediately or at the beginning of the next phase.

April 19, 2013 08:44:18 AM

Vincent Roscioli
Judge (Uncertified)

USA - Midatlantic

"Return under it's owners control"

Originally posted by Nick Rutkowski:

However under the additional remedy section of missed triggers we
find a special inclusion. If a delayed trigger that would change the zone
of an object would be missed, resolve it. The opponent would then choose to
resolve it immediately or at the beginning of the next phase.

If this is actually at Regular REL, the IPG's missed trigger policy doesn't apply. Per the JAR, we'll just resolve the action immediately once it is noticed if it happened recently.

April 20, 2013 09:48:05 PM

Bernd Buldt
Judge (Uncertified)

USA - Great Lakes

"Return under it's owners control"

Originally posted by Vincent Roscioli:

If this is actually at Regular REL, the IPG's missed trigger policy doesn't apply.
It is my understanding that this no longer unconditionally true b/c, as far as missed triggers are concerned, both RELs are much closer aligned since the most recent (Feb 8) policy update. And the reasoning why to give delayed zone triggers special treatment applies equally to regular REL.

Quote (Gatecrash Policy Changes – For Judges, February 3, 2013 by telliott):
“In other trigger news, there’s one more change. We’re going to bring the “you don’t need to help your opponent remember triggers” to Regular REL. This brings the actual “rules” into alignment at all levels. Of course, at Regular REL, we’re a lot more forgiving when triggers are missed. If it’s still meaningful, within a respectable time frame (a turn or so) and not too disruptive, I’ll let them resolve it.”

April 23, 2013 02:49:15 AM

Gareth Tanner
Judge (Level 2 (UK Magic Officials))

United Kingdom, Ireland, and South Africa

"Return under it's owners control"

Removing the burden of having to point out your opponents triggers was brought into the JAR but how we resolve a trigger once it has been caught by the player who missed it did not change.