The 5-dice best-5-card-poker-hand is a fun and fairly common way to do this as well (well, common here anyway). I always offer odds or evens myself. It eliminates the possibility of tie rolls as a side benefit.

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Originally posted by Mark Brown:

If both players are happy with a randomisation method, however random or pseudo-random it is, unless there is obvious shenanigans going on and the method is not disruptive then we should live and let live.

If 1 player is objecting to a particular method try and find something both players can agree on, if 1 player is just being really awkward randomly determine for the match.

This topic should not be this complicated.

The reason I find it complicated is that there is a lot of potential for abuse here. NAP (the one who isn't rolling) can look at the outcome of AP's roll. If it's a low number NAP can simply stay quiet and roll as well, if it's a high number he can object to the roll. That just doesn't sit well with me.

Originally posted by Toby Hazes:

The reason I find it complicated is that there is a lot of potential for abuse here. NAP (the one who isn't rolling) can look at the outcome of AP's roll. If it's a low number NAP can simply stay quiet and roll as well, if it's a high number he can object to the roll. That just doesn't sit well with me.

There is one very simple way around that: ask your opponent whether a method is agreeable, before using it. A player who just rolls a dice, expecting the opponent to agree with that method (and the particular dice used, of course), is to blame here for not communicating. If the lack of communication is “abused” by the opponent, I am fine with that.

Originally posted by Sebastian Rittau:

There is one very simple way around that: ask your opponent whether a method is agreeable, before using it. A player who just rolls a dice, expecting the opponent to agree with that method (and the particular dice used, of course), is to blame here for not communicating. If the lack of communication is “abused” by the opponent, I am fine with that.

In my experience a lot of times when one player asks “high roll?” he already has a dice in his closed hand ready to throw so it's easy to not notice what kind of dice it is until it's thrown.

Originally posted by Toby Hazes:

In my experience a lot of times when one player asks “high roll?” he already has a dice in his closed hand ready to throw so it's easy to not notice what kind of dice it is until it's thrown.

You can always ask whether it's a die or a spindown counter.
Really, ask Mark Brown already said, this topic shouldn't be so complicated.

If you don't get a chance to look at the dice then your opponent has assumed that it will be ok and has rolled. If that leaves them open to getting the type of dice disputed after rolling high then it's because they haven't verified that it's acceptable. What if their opponent wanted a who rolls lowest? What if the opponent always uses dice to call Odd/Even. It requires communication, unless you know your opponent and already know what's acceptable both players have a responsibility to determine between them what is an acceptable randomisation method.

If this discussion continues in a circular nature one of the moderators will have to close this topic, but for now, if there is something new to bring to this discussion please continue.

Originally posted by Mark Brown:

If you don't get a chance to look at the dice then your opponent has assumed that it will be ok and has rolled. If that leaves them open to getting the type of dice disputed after rolling high then it's because they haven't verified that it's acceptable. What if their opponent wanted a who rolls lowest? What if the opponent always uses dice to call Odd/Even.

Those last two concerns are not applicable here because AP did ask “high roll?” and NAP said “sure” so at least those criteria have been established.

Hi,

Thank you all for this interesting discussion. I think there are quite a few things we can learn from this thread but I also think everything worthwhile has been said and will now close it.

As always, if you think something is missing and would like to add it, PM a mod :)

Greets
Jeremie