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Olivia and Haunted Plate Mail

Aug. 30, 2013 08:36:29 PM

Sean Stackhouse
Judge (Uncertified)

USA - Northeast

Olivia and Haunted Plate Mail

Olivia Voldaren

Haunted Plate Mail

Nelson shoots Alex's Plate Mail (while animated) with Olivia. Next turn, Alex activates the Plate Mail again. It's just a Spirit, correct? Or is it a Spirit Vampire?

Edited Sean Stackhouse (Aug. 30, 2013 08:36:56 PM)

Aug. 31, 2013 04:24:08 PM

Daniel Kitachewsky
Judge (Uncertified)

France

Olivia and Haunted Plate Mail

It's just a Spirit.

As you determine the characteristics of it, in layer 4, there's two effects, one from Olivia (becomes a Vampire) and one from Haunted Plate Mail (becomes a Creature and a Spirit in addition to previous types and subtypes). Since there is no dependency the two effects, you apply them in the order they were created. First, you try to make it a vampire - which doesn't do anything because it's neither a Creature nor a Tribal, then it becomes a Creature - Spirit.

As for the explanation for the lack of dependency, see my previous answer about Gideon Jura and Olivia:

The whole question is then to know if there is dependency between “becoming a creature” and “becoming a vampire.” Even though the result of “becoming a vampire” is different whether you apply the “become a creature” effect or not, what matters in order to have dependency is if what the effect _attempts to do_ is different. Here, what the effect attempts to do is setting the object's subtype to vampire, and this doesn't depend on whether the object is a creature or not.

Daniel Kitachewsky
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