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Difference between Competitive and Professional REL

March 16, 2014 09:28:15 PM

Samuel Tremblay
Judge (Uncertified)

Canada - Eastern Provinces

Difference between Competitive and Professional REL

I know that Professional are runned at Day 2 GP, Pro Tours and Champs, but what's the judging difference for us? The IPG doesn't differentiate penalties whether you're Comp or Prof REL. The only difference I found in the MTR was that spectators aren't allowed to interfere in Prof where they are in Comp.

Can someone light up my lantern please?

March 16, 2014 10:00:23 PM

Kenji Suzuki
Judge (Level 2 (International Judge Program))

Japan

Difference between Competitive and Professional REL

From MIPG 3.1 Tardiness,

At Competitive events, the Tournament Organizer may announce that they are giving the players some additional time before a penalty is issued.

Which can be applied only when Competitive, not Professional.
For example, in Competitive, we can deal with Tardiness by “3/10”. (3 for GL, 10 for No Show ML)

Other than these specific differences in rules, there is difference in what we expect players.

These events hold players to higher standard of behavior and technically correct play than Competitive events

This will be applied for all rulings we are going to make.

March 17, 2014 03:43:45 AM

Jack Doyle
Judge (Level 3 (UK Magic Officials)), Scorekeeper

United Kingdom, Ireland, and South Africa

Difference between Competitive and Professional REL

I've found while discussing this topic with other judges that the amount that they are willing to be lenient shifts at Competitive/Professional. That is to say, they are often stricter in terms of technically correct play at Professional REL than at Competitive REL.

As an addition to the things that Kenji mentioned above, there is also the fact that spectators are unable to pause the game at Professional REL. They must simply call a judge and direct them to the nature of an observed issue or error.

Jack Doyle.
L2, London.

March 17, 2014 08:19:39 AM

Evan Cherry
Judge (Uncertified)

USA - Southwest

Difference between Competitive and Professional REL

Originally posted by Jack Doyle:

As an addition to the things that Kenji mentioned above, there is also the fact that spectators are unable to pause the game at Professional REL. They must simply call a judge and direct them to the nature of an observed issue or error.

Jack is correct, and we often circumvent this issue by not allowing spectators near matches at all, other than authorized press and WotC Representatives.

March 17, 2014 10:44:00 AM

Robert Hinrichsen
Judge (Level 3 (Judge Foundry))

Canada - Eastern Provinces

Difference between Competitive and Professional REL

There may also be some differences in the way the tournament operates at a procedural level. I recall when I was on main event during day 2 of GP Toronto, players were required to remain at their tables when their match ended and call a judge to collect their match slips and verify the results in person, rather than simply dropping the slips off in the box as they had done the previous day. Also, on day 1 we could consult with any L3 judge in order to authorize a rewind, whilst on day 2 we were required to consult Scott (the head judge) directly.

March 17, 2014 10:51:28 AM

Adam Cetnerowski
Judge (Uncertified)

Europe - Central

Difference between Competitive and Professional REL

That's more of a question of logistics and player-to-judge ratio.


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Robert Hinrichsen <
forum-9042-9f2c@apps.magicjudges.org> wrote:

> There may also be some differences in the way the tournament operates at a
> procedural level. I recall when I was on main event during day 2 of GP
> Toronto, players were required to remain at their tables when their match
> ended and call a judge to collect their match slips and verify the results
> in person, rather than simply dropping the slips off in the box as they had
> done the previous day. Also, on day 1 we could consult with any L3 judge in
> order to authorize a rewind, whilst on day 2 we were required to consult
> Scott (the head judge) directly.
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Adam Cetnerowski
Gdansk, Poland

March 18, 2014 12:06:59 AM

Javier Martin Arjona
Judge (Uncertified)

German-speaking countries

Difference between Competitive and Professional REL

Hello.
From MTR 2.7 Deck Registration
“At constructed-format, Professional REL tournaments (Pro Tour, World Magic Cup, Magic: The Gathering World Championship, and Grand Prix), copies of opponents’ decklists will be provided to players in the single-elimination playoffs.”