Originally posted by Richard Vo:
If A already drew cards, then A receives a GPE: DEC and gets a game loss.
GPE:DEC - Definition - A player illegally puts one or more cards into his or her hand and, at the moment before he or she began the
instruction or action that put a card into his or her hand, no other Game Play Error or Communication Policy
Violation had been committed, and the error was not the result of resolving objects on the stack in an incorrect
order
Edited Richard Vo (April 15, 2014 10:33:42 PM)
Originally posted by IPG 2.1.:but does this actually apply here?
Judges should not intervene in a missed trigger situation unless they intend to issue a Warning or have reason to suspect that the controller is intentionally missing his or her triggered abilities.
Richard VoSurely you mean put them on top of their deck, right?
Edit: Oh I know… the 2 cards on top are returned to A's hand before the 3 random cards are selected to be shuffled into the library…
Edited Alfred Bellinger (April 15, 2014 11:39:56 PM)
Originally posted by Richard Vo:Yep, your edit is totally correct. Whenever we do a backup, we undo every action in reverse order. Having him return those two cards to his hand is the easy part, compared to choosing 3 cards to put back on top.
Oh noes….
I missed the italicized portion… So then we rewind in both situations and the only penalty is the warning for GPE: GRV. 3 randomly chosen cards will be returned to A's deck from A's hand and the deck will be randomized (except for known portions). I guess my question is now… do the 3 cards get returned even if the brainstorm was completely resolved (i.e. 2 other cards were put on top of A's library)? I think yes…. but it seems like a particularly sad outcome for A (even though A is completely at fault here).
Edit: Oh I know… the 2 cards on top are returned to A's hand before the 3 random cards are selected to be shuffled into the library…
Edited Dan Collins (April 15, 2014 11:50:18 PM)
If the error was discovered within a time frame in which a player could reasonably be expected to notice the error and the situation is simple enough to safely back up without too much disruption to the course of the game, the judge may get permission from the Head Judge to back up the game to the point of the error.
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