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MTG: Judge Core App for Android

Sept. 20, 2013 04:02:01 AM

Jeff S Higgins
Forum Moderator
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Academy))

USA - Pacific Northwest

MTG: Judge Core App for Android

Your app is amazing. You are awesome for doing this!

Sept. 20, 2013 04:30:32 AM

Josh Stansfield
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Foundry))

USA - Pacific West

MTG: Judge Core App for Android

Originally posted by Simon Freiberg:

Is it possible to have an option to hide or collapse the gatherer rulings, for when players ask for Oracle text?

This isn't really necessary. Gatherer rulings don't provide any information we wouldn't be able to provide if asked, so they aren't considered outside information. A player is allowed to view Gatherer entries without calling a judge, where the rulings would be visible, so there's no reason we should feel the need to hide them from the player.

Sept. 20, 2013 04:33:12 AM

Nick Rutkowski
Judge (Uncertified)

USA - Pacific West

MTG: Judge Core App for Android

Josh, Can you site where you got that info from? I've been told otherwise.

Sept. 20, 2013 04:40:34 AM

David de la Iglesia
Judge (Uncertified)

Europe - East

MTG: Judge Core App for Android

From DCIJUDGE-L, some time ago…

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Scott Marshall <
scott_j_marshall_jr@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >I know that players can now look up the oracle text of cards, but if they
> >were to look that information up on the wizards gatherer page sometimes
> >there are rulings at the bottom. My question is would these card rulings
> >be considered outside assistance or are plalyers entitled to look at
> >them? Would it make a difference if they asked a judge for the oracle
> >text and rulings? Thanks.
>
> The rulings aren't strategic advice, and shouldn't be considered Outside
> Assistance. Of course, players must still comply with all of the relevant
> policy - i.e., share the stuff they look up with their opponent(s) or get
> permission from a judge, etc.
>
> Thanks! – Scott Marshall <scott_j_marshall_jr@yahoo.com>
> DCIJUDGE-L NetRep, L5, Denver


//David

Sept. 20, 2013 05:19:09 AM

Fry
Judge (Level 3 (Oceanic Judge Association)), Scorekeeper, Tournament Organizer

Australia and New Zealand

MTG: Judge Core App for Android

Yes, I know the Gatherer rulings aren't outside assistance or anything, but I feel they vary wildly in consistency between “this is obvious” and “this is way more derived and borders on strategic information”.

Some cards have them, some cards don't, and so in the interest of fairness I tend to only show raw Oracle text unless the players ask follow up questions or something else specific.

Is this wrong?

Sept. 20, 2013 05:59:50 AM

Charlotte Sable
Judge (Level 3 (Magic Judges Finland))

Europe - North

MTG: Judge Core App for Android

If you're looking for pure Oracle text, Carsten Haese has made an app that
just gives Oracle text (and printings) with no rules or extraneous
information.
You can download it here:
http://haese.homeip.net/~carsten/dcitools/oracle.html

June 5, 2014 02:58:27 PM

Andrew Teo
Judge (Uncertified), Tournament Organizer

Southeast Asia

MTG: Judge Core App for Android

My deepest and greatest and biggest and humblest and…you get it, apologies for being missing for close to a year on this.

I have updated the app once more for the upcoming Conspiracy release, and also included what Simon has suggested; the option to show/hide Gatherer Rulings.

It might be close to a year late, but hey, I figured it's better than never :D

The latest version 0.922 should be available for updates in the Google Play Store in the next 4 hours or so, since that's how long they take to push updates out.

June 5, 2014 04:02:48 PM

Kim Warren
Judge (Uncertified)

United Kingdom, Ireland, and South Africa

MTG: Judge Core App for Android

Andrew, you have continued to update the app with the new sets and rules, so no hard feelings at all - it has still been an excellent tool that I have been very pleased to have access to.

I am pretty excited about the option to show/hide gatherer rulings, though, if only because it speeds up giving Oracle text to players as they can find the important stuff that they want immediately!

Thanks!

June 5, 2014 04:24:46 PM

Richard Drijvers
Judge (Uncertified)

BeNeLux

MTG: Judge Core App for Android

It also prevents us from revealing too much information when providing a
player with the Oracle text (to read from the screen).

Thank you Andrew!

-R.


2014-06-05 11:03 GMT+02:00 Kim Warren <forum-1961-bcd9@apps.magicjudges.org>
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June 5, 2014 05:24:27 PM

Andrew Teo
Judge (Uncertified), Tournament Organizer

Southeast Asia

MTG: Judge Core App for Android

Your kind words are well received, Kim.

Seems like it's all going good thus far, and hopefully the “Save Database to SD card” is going fine too which I implemented at the suggestion of Lyle some time ago.

You're welcome too, Richard.

June 10, 2014 03:42:39 PM

Andrew Teo
Judge (Uncertified), Tournament Organizer

Southeast Asia

MTG: Judge Core App for Android

An update:

Added an “X” to clear text.
Reformatted the Comprehensive Rules to make it display sub rules instead of clumping all sub rules into one main rule, to use lesser memory, in order to avoid crashes due to lack of memory on limited devices
Added Conspiracy Draft rules to the Comprehensive Rules

June 10, 2014 06:12:57 PM

Maykel .
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Academy))

Southeast Asia

MTG: Judge Core App for Android

Andrew,
thanks for the great app.
:)

June 14, 2014 08:40:55 PM

Julio Sosa
Judge (Level 5 (International Judge Program))

Hispanic America - South

MTG: Judge Core App for Android

Andrew, I have a BlackBerryOS phone, and it's compatible with apk files, but I cannot access Gplay store.
is it possible to have the .apk or .zip file here to download? I would be very grateful

June 16, 2014 02:59:02 PM

Andrew Teo
Judge (Uncertified), Tournament Organizer

Southeast Asia

MTG: Judge Core App for Android

Originally posted by Julio Sosa:

Andrew, I have a BlackBerryOS phone, and it's compatible with apk files, but I cannot access Gplay store.
is it possible to have the .apk or .zip file here to download? I would be very grateful
I'm afraid I can't do that as there might be updates from time to time that may change the structure of the app and how it accesses a changed database/etc.

I would recommend trying to find the latest Play Store APK (which I can't provide here since it's not exactly the most legal of things to be), and installing it from there if possible, as I understand that's how certain phones manage to work around in accessing the store.

June 17, 2014 03:54:30 AM

Julio Sosa
Judge (Level 5 (International Judge Program))

Hispanic America - South

MTG: Judge Core App for Android

Originally posted by Andrew Teo:

I would recommend trying to find the latest Play Store APK (which I can't provide here since it's not exactly the most legal of things to be), and installing it from there if possible, as I understand that's how certain phones manage to work around in accessing the store.

Thank you Andrew.

Another question:
I've seen the updated app on my tablet and I find quite uncomfortable to have every paragraph separated on each section. Though it is easier to spot a single particular rule, it gets quite difficult to use the copy-paste feature.
Will it be possible to have, each point of a rule(that is to say, for example with rule 101.4, 101.4a,b,c,d)?

Cheers!