Please keep the forum protocol in mind when posting.

Rules Q&A » Post: Copying spells and tracking choices made while casting

Copying spells and tracking choices made while casting

July 27, 2017 02:24:29 AM

Emmanuel Gutierrez
Judge (Level 5 (International Judge Program))

France

Copying spells and tracking choices made while casting

Hello,

I have questions regarding copying spells, and the copy acquiring choices made when casting it.

706.2 says : When copying an object, the copy acquires for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.

If I copy a spell which was Overloaded like Mizzium Mortars, the ruling I have is that the copy is going to be overloaded because Overloading is a “choice made when casting it”. But is it not in contradiction with the part saying that “text-changing effects are not copied”, as Overload is a text-changing effect ?

Why would it work differently than a copy of a Firespout, where the gatherer rulings specifically says that we don't track to the copy the choice of mana paid for casting the original spell ?

Emmanuel

Aug. 23, 2017 11:20:48 AM

Callum Milne
Forum Moderator
Judge (Uncertified)

Canada - Western Provinces

Copying spells and tracking choices made while casting

There's no contradiction here. As CR706.2 lays out, the text-changing effect applied to the original spell by its Overload ability isn't copied. What is copied, however, is the Overload ability itself, and it's the copy's Overload ability that then applies its own text-changing effect to the copy.

This example may be easier to understand using permanents. Let's say I control Aeronaut Tinkerer and an artifact, so my Aeronaut has flying. If my opponent (who controls no artifacts) Clones my Aeronaut, their copy will not naturally have flying, because flying is neither written on the card nor applied as part of another copy effect, so it's not part of the Aeronaut's copiable characteristics. If I Clone my own Aeronaut, though, that copy will have flying, because even though flying itself isn't copied–just as it wasn't for my opponent–the Aeronaut's “this has flying as long as you control an artifact” ability is copied, and that ability then gives my copy flying.

The same thing's going on here–the changes made to the original spell by the original's Overload ability aren't copied directly, but the copy gets its own instance of Overload, and that instance of Overload then makes changes to the copy.

Copies of Firespout (and similar) don't do anything because the copy checks on resolution what mana was spent to cast it, and sees that no mana was spent to cast it at all. When 706.2 talks about choices made when casting the spell, it refers only to the choices laid out in CR601.2b-d–modes, additional and/or alternative costs, value of X, targets, division among targets, and so on. The amount and type of mana that you ended up spending to cast the original spell are not among those choices.
  • Index
  • » Rules Q&A
  • » Copying spells and tracking choices made while casting