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Decklists

March 12, 2014 03:35:50 PM

Johannes Wagner
Judge (Level 2 (International Judge Program))

German-speaking countries

Decklists

Hey guys,

because I was so annoyed with the decklist uploaded on the Wizards page I updated it so it's a form easy to fill in. Feel free to use it for your tournaments(copyright shouldn't be an issue, right?)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3561032/Decklist.pdf

Edited Johannes Wagner (March 14, 2014 02:18:59 AM)

March 12, 2014 04:21:52 PM

Joaquín Pérez
Judge (Level 2 (International Judge Program)), Tournament Organizer

Iberia

Decklists

Thank you, really useful!! :)

March 12, 2014 06:30:29 PM

Matt Braddock
Judge (Uncertified), Scorekeeper

USA - Midatlantic

Decklists

I'd also like to contribute with this constructed deck list you can fill in. I believe it is the newer form used.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g24toz56yfvqtyw/Constructed%20Decklist%20Fill-in%20Form.pdf

March 13, 2014 02:46:09 AM

Johannes Wagner
Judge (Level 2 (International Judge Program))

German-speaking countries

Decklists

You should update the note about the sideboard :)

Isn't it kinda funny, that I could download the old version on the DCI page?>.<

March 13, 2014 12:25:00 PM

Gawain Ouronos
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Foundry)), Scorekeeper, Tournament Organizer

USA - Southeast

Decklists

Greetings…

@Matt - while it may be a version of the newer form, it is not the newest form used. You list still lists sideboard as “exactly 0 or 15” cards. Other than that slight detail, great work. If I find time, I may try my hand at a version of the decklist. There were some “tab entry” issues that I would like to see corrected.

Until that time…

March 13, 2014 12:41:51 PM

Chris Nowak
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Academy))

USA - Midatlantic

Decklists

Doing deckchecks, I find it quite annoying when there are different versions of decklist forms running around. (Get more than a few dozen, and those oddball ones can throw you off when searching for or validating things)

Do we really want to foster more variation?

March 13, 2014 02:15:16 PM

Matt Braddock
Judge (Uncertified), Scorekeeper

USA - Midatlantic

Decklists

To be fair, I did not create that form, I simply saved it as a resource.

March 14, 2014 02:18:07 AM

Johannes Wagner
Judge (Level 2 (International Judge Program))

German-speaking countries

Decklists

@Chris: The problem is, that every (bigger) TO uses his own list.
Gordianknot got one, SCG got one, DCI got another. I don't wanna know how many more versions of decklists are used regularly…

March 16, 2014 04:46:15 AM

Jason Clark
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Foundry))

Canada - Western Provinces

Decklists

Chris: Don't forget all the players that print the decklists at home on plain white paper. This could be because of any number of reasons. I don't think we want to start restricting how players hand in decklists *shrugs*

March 16, 2014 05:01:41 AM

Chris Nowak
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Academy))

USA - Midatlantic

Decklists

I wouldn't think to restrict anyone (and I'm aware of different formats people use randomly already), I just cringe at introducing more variance into the mix on our own behalf.

March 17, 2014 12:12:30 PM

Susan Waldbiesser
Judge (Level 1 (Judge Academy))

USA - Northeast

Decklists

At my store, all events that require decklists also require players to sign a photography/videography waiver which is printed on the back of the standard DCI deck registration forms available at the store. Anyone that brings a decklist on any other form still has to sign the waiver. I then staple the two sheets together with the DCI form on top and fill out the name and DCI # so that it is easy to find in the file. It doesn't change a variation of decklist forms when doing deck checks, but it does making finding it in the file easier.

March 17, 2014 01:38:38 PM

Philip Ockelmann
Judge (Level 2 (International Judge Program)), Scorekeeper, Tournament Organizer, IJP Temporary Regional Advisor

German-speaking countries

Decklists

I wouldn't care too much about getting more diverse types of Decklists out, to be honest…simply because it can't get any worse than things are at the moment.
Players who print their Decklists at home and bring them to the tourney are (imo) one of the greatest blessings that they can offer us. Printed Decklists are readable and, usually and in some way, sorted//clearly indicate what is the sideboard and what is the maindeck.
Purely handwritten Decklists are the other side of that spectrum, as a lot of people have terrible handwriting, and a lot of people also can't properly structure a list on a blank sheet of paper by hand - for some reason, these two subsets of players seem to have an awfully big intersection, too.
(official-deckregistartionsheet-rant)
And if I am honest, the ‘official’ Decklist-sheet linked by Matt is about the worst formatted Deckregistration sheet possible. The Last Name/First Name/DCI# column is marked in dark grey, making it easy to miss, which, subsequently, a lot of players do miss. It is also perpendicular to everything else that needs to be written and gives very little space height-wise, making it frequently hard to decipher, especially when trying to rapidly scan through decklists to find the on from player xyz. It's Sideboardsection is squeezed into the bottom right part, which players often miss and just put it into the ‘continued decklist & basic lands’-section. They then notice their mistake halfway through registering their sideboard, and cross things out and re-start writing their SB down where its supposed to be. Then they notice the completely unnecessary ‘& Basic Land’- part above where they just started registering their Sideboard, so they scan through their main registered on the left side and cross out their basics there and add them to the right, quite likely/possibly with 3+ empty lines on the right side, making those basics VERY easy to miss when counting the List.
(/rant)

I don't see more different types of decklists as a problem, because they can only be better than that official one, and, since the decklist-formats already are this diverse, we usually make the players to clearly mark their Decklists for sorting/searching-puposes during HJ-announcements anyways ('please mark your tablenumber/the first THREE LETTERS of your LAST NAME in the top right corner of your Decklist now.').

When it comes to beeing on DC-duty, I really prefer any Printed Decklist > Decklist Printed on official form > Decklists written on any other printed registration sheet > Decklists written on official form > fully handwritten Decklist on A4-sheet > handwritten decklist on A5-sheet *cringe*

Edited Philip Ockelmann (March 17, 2014 01:39:03 PM)

March 17, 2014 01:59:09 PM

Johannes Wagner
Judge (Level 2 (International Judge Program))

German-speaking countries

Decklists

Originally posted by Philip Körte:

Players who print their Decklists at home and bring them to the tourney are (imo) one of the greatest blessings that they can offer us. Printed Decklists are readable and, usually and in some way, sorted//clearly indicate what is the sideboard and what is the maindeck.

That was the reason why I made those easy to fill out …

March 18, 2014 04:37:10 AM

Joaquín Pérez
Judge (Level 2 (International Judge Program)), Tournament Organizer

Iberia

Decklists

Originally posted by Philip Körte:

… > handwritten decklist on A5-sheet *cringe*

So true :D Let's add > handwritten decklist on A5-sheet with sideboard on backside, re-used from another old Limited list all-crossed and dirty. Yes, that happened to me. And yes, I asked the player to write it again on a clean A4. I have some kind of limits here and that's far away from what I could accept as a judge :)

March 18, 2014 05:11:17 AM

David Larrea
Judge (Level 5 (International Judge Program)), Scorekeeper

Iberia

Decklists

In GPTs or PTQs sometimes we collect decklist when players are seating for
round 1. If one of them gives me his/her decklist in a sheet smaller than
A4 I will ask that player to to write the decklist in an A4 sheet for
future tournaments but I won't ask him/her to do it at that moment.
When I have all the decklists collected I will tape the small decklists in
A4 sheets so that they have the same size as the rest of the decklist for
sorting/searching.

This avoids logistic problems for us and you don't have to give extra time
to any table.



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