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Where to draw the line with courser?

Jan. 31, 2015 05:37:57 PM

Walker Metyko
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Foundry)), Scorekeeper

USA - Southwest

Where to draw the line with courser?

I have asked a few judges about this and get different answers. So in an attempt to get a more definitive answer for myself I'm asking the masses here. If a player has courser of kruphix out and draws their card and fails to flip the new top card when do you step in and issue a GPE-GRV? Do you wait 30 seconds, a pass of priority, a turn, or right before they draw it. Alternatively do you ever just issue a caution instead?
Personally I prefer to wait until they pass the turn, but I feel this may be to lenient.
Any thoughts/comments are appreciated.

-Walker Metyko, level 1

Jan. 31, 2015 06:06:32 PM

Scott Marshall
Forum Moderator
Judge (Level 4 (Judge Foundry)), Hall of Fame

USA - Southwest

Where to draw the line with courser?

per the Introduction to the IPG, we don't intervene until we see an infraction; he could still remember to reveal the card before progressing the game (i.e., before it becomes an infraction). And the opponent is likely to remind him right away, too. In those cases, no infraction, just let them carry on.

If further actions are taken, that means that decisions are being made with incomplete information; at that point, it is impacting the game state, and - despite the temptation to be nice! - it's now an infraction, and we should handle it as such.

d:^D

Jan. 31, 2015 06:09:34 PM

Ernst Jan Plugge
Judge (Uncertified)

BeNeLux

Where to draw the line with courser?

I step in as soon as the player takes a visible game action, like going to combat, passing the turn, casting a spell or activating an ability. Basically, the active player can take a moment to consider the card that he/she just drew, but the top card must be revealed before the game continues further.

The main reason for me is that the revealed information may be important for the opponent in deciding if and how to respond. Until the card is revealed, any game actions are taken improperly, with information hidden that should be public.

Jan. 31, 2015 08:09:47 PM

Chris Nowak
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Academy))

USA - Midatlantic

Where to draw the line with courser?

Another angle, if I was called over with “Hey, we just realized he hasn't revealed since his draw step and we're already in combat!”, there's an infraction there.

The players shouldn't get a game benefit just because I happen to be hanging around watching him. So we need to handle it the same either way.