Edited Fabian Henneke (April 24, 2015 07:42:25 PM)
Edited Renato Spinelli (April 27, 2015 08:04:43 AM)
Originally posted by Renato Spinelli:
1. Achim did not untap his permanents, and directly drew, meaning Neo did not have a chance to remind him the trigger. In this case, I would rule GL for DEC
Originally posted by John Brian McCarthy:This is a perfect example of what we should say to NAP in order to make him understand how he could have avoided his opponent gaining advantage from a MT. But still I am not very confident with AP gaining advantage from his own infraction and NAP unable to do anything to prevent that (the trigger is considered missed when he draws for the turn, too late to fix).
If NAP has been watching AP draw before untapping all game long, and wants to make sure that AP has to mill the card he scryed, he should say something like, “Pass the turn, don't forget to mill before you draw.”
Originally posted by John Brian McCarthy:Really good points. I assume ruling DEC is wrong then.
Let me ask: if the player drew a card before removing a suspend counter from his or her Greater Gargadon, would you issue DEC there? Would you put the line at all missed triggers, all detrimental triggers, all triggers involving the library… you can see where this gets messy, and why I'd argue that this doesn't fit within the definition of DEC.
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