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Cutting through the Grizzle - Silver

March 10, 2016 10:54:57 AM

Scott Marshall
Forum Moderator
Judge (Level 4 (Judge Foundry)), Hall of Fame

USA - Southwest

Cutting through the Grizzle - Silver

Pointing at the Haruspex makes it clear that you're aware of your trigger, and which trigger; in the original scenario, Aaron just says “trigger”, which is entirely too ambiguous.

To be fair, I can imagine most investigations going something like this (with everyone being honest):
A: I pointed at my Haruspex when it triggered, but she responded with CoCo and I got distracted…
N: I never saw him point at anything, he never said he'd draw…
A: you were so quick with CoCo I didn't say anything, but I was pointing out the trigger!
N: well, I didn't see that.
Judge: asdflkj sdafl;jksdfsy asdfh;a sdafh;asfd …

d:^D

March 10, 2016 01:25:11 PM

Alfonso Chamorro
Judge (Level 2 (International Judge Program))

Iberia

Cutting through the Grizzle - Silver

Just to be sure, it's too ambiguous when there aren't another abilities that can trigger?

March 10, 2016 01:43:17 PM

Eli Meyer
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Foundry))

USA - Northeast

Cutting through the Grizzle - Silver

For instance, if I point at Monastery Mentor and say “triggers,” have I made it clear that I'm getting a token? Or is it ambiguous in this case, because I could be referring to prowess?

March 10, 2016 06:51:56 PM

Nathen Millbank
Judge (Uncertified)

USA - Pacific Northwest

Cutting through the Grizzle - Silver

Originally posted by Eli Meyer:

For instance, if I point at Monastery Mentor and say “triggers,” have I made it clear that I'm getting a token? Or is it ambiguous in this case, because I could be referring to prowess?

I would argue that the scenario you present is exactly why the “you have to take the required physical action” clause is in the missed trigger policy.

If you point at the Mentor and say “triggers,” don't put a token on the battlefield and then move on with your turn, I would definitely say that you have missed your trigger for the token. There should have been a physical action taken, there wasn't one, you don't get a token.

Otherwise, what's to keep me from just saying, “Triggers” all the time and claiming I didn't miss any triggers?

March 11, 2016 06:54:55 AM

Patrick Vorbroker
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Judge (Level 3 (Judge Academy)), Scorekeeper

USA - Midatlantic

Cutting through the Grizzle - Silver

Folks, we've strayed pretty far from the original scenario at this point. The solution to the KP scenario is posted, if you wish to have continuing conversation on this part of policy there are a number of good places to do it, such as the Competitive forum. Please remember that these Knowledge Pool threads are intended for discussion only on the scenario presented.