Originally posted by Christopher Wendelboe:

Scott Marshall
How is Kalitas' replacement effect NOT active? Each player is instructed to take an action…

d:^D

This is a valid point. The more I thought about this the more it seems to me that the issue is that each player is supposed to do something, and in theory neither did (controller makes a zombie token, opponent puts creature into exile).

I believe what is generally thought of to be an “active” ability is something like a spell or activated ability on a permanent. Perhaps the more correct thought is “if an effect instructs you to do something, it's active”.

This also means that hexproof/shroud is never an “active” effect.

Would a good way to think about this be “Both players participated in the error”?
The words active and action are loaded with a lot of baggage in Magic rules.

Player A targets Player B's hexproof creature with a spell. Only Player A has really “actively” participated in something going wrong. GRV-FTMGS

Player A puts a Pathed creature in the graveyard. It was Player Bs instrution and Player A did the wrong thing. Both participated. Doubs GRV

I think we need to think about the reality of the situation and how these
effects are resolved in this context. I don't think players are in the
habit of reaching across the table and exiling their opponents' creatures
when they die with Kalitas in play!

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Elizabeth Wallace <
forum-27651-588c@apps.magicjudges.org> wrote:

> *Christopher Wendelboe*
>
> *Scott Marshall*
> How is Kalitas' replacement effect NOT active? Each player is instructed
> to take an action…
>
> d:^D
>
>
> This is a valid point. The more I thought about this the more it seems to
> me that the issue is that each player is supposed to do something, and in
> theory neither did (controller makes a zombie token, opponent puts creature
> into exile).
>
> I believe what is generally thought of to be an “active” ability is
> something like a spell or activated ability on a permanent. Perhaps the
> more correct thought is “if an effect instructs you to do something, it's
> active”.
>
> This also means that hexproof/shroud is never an “active” effect.
>
>
>
> Would a good way to think about this be “Both players participated in the
> error”?
> The words active and action are loaded with a lot of baggage in Magic
> rules.
>
> Player A targets Player B's hexproof creature with a spell. Only Player A
> has really “actively” participated in something going wrong. GRV-FTMGS
>
> Player A puts a Pathed creature in the graveyard. It was Player Bs
> instrution and Player A did the wrong thing. Both participated. Doubs GRV
>
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