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Can a player who wins 2 games concede 1-2?

April 26, 2014 01:10:10 PM

Eric Shukan
Judge (Uncertified)

USA - Northeast

Can a player who wins 2 games concede 1-2?

Hi, all. I'm verifying that MTR2.4 permits the following situation: Player A wins the first 2 games in a match, but then he wants to leave. In order to allow Player B to have a chance in the tourney, player A chooses to let Player B win the match, and the players fill out the match slip 1-2 in B's favor. There is no bribery of any sort, no dealmaking, just that Player A wants to go home. Is this allowed? I believe that it is according to MTR2.4, but I want to verify. Probably would need an ruling here at some point. Thanks! -Eric

MTR 2.4 Conceding or Intentionally Drawing Games or MatchesIf a game or match is not completed, players may concede or mutually agree to a draw in that game or match. A match is considered complete once the result slip is filled out or, if match slips are not being used, a player leaves the table after game play is finished. Until that point, either player may concede to or draw with the other, though if the conceding player won a game in the match, the match must be reported as 2-1. Intentional draws are always reported as 0-0-3.

April 26, 2014 02:03:47 PM

Andrew Heckt
Judge (Uncertified)

Italy and Malta

Can a player who wins 2 games concede 1-2?

To be clear, he completed game 2 by winning and player B never won before, and he wants to report a completely different result for game 2 and the never would have occurred to happen game 3?

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From: Eric Shukan <forum-9729-a1f1@apps.magicjudges.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 11:11 AM
To: Heckt, Andy
Subject: Can a player who wins 2 games concede 1-2? (Competitive REL)


Hi, all. I'm verifying that MTR2.4 permits the following situation: Player A wins the first 2 games in a match, but then he wants to leave. In order to allow Player B to have a chance in the tourney, player A chooses to let Player B win the match, and the players fill out the match slip 1-2 in B's favor. There is no bribery of any sort, no dealmaking, just that Player A wants to go home. Is this allowed? I believe that it is according to MTR2.4, but I want to verify. Probably would need an ruling here at some point. Thanks! -Eric

MTR 2.4 Conceding or Intentionally Drawing Games or MatchesIf a game or match is not completed, players may concede or mutually agree to a draw in that game or match. A match is considered complete once the result slip is filled out or, if match slips are not being used, a player leaves the table after game play is finished. Until that point, either player may concede to or draw with the other, though if the conceding player won a game in the match, the match must be reported as 2-1. Intentional draws are always reported as 0-0-3.

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April 26, 2014 02:21:03 PM

Eric Shukan
Judge (Uncertified)

USA - Northeast

Can a player who wins 2 games concede 1-2?

Well, either that or say he won 2-1 and wants to concede it as 1-2. The point is: can a player who has won 2 games concede BEFORE filling out the match slip, so that his opponent wins the match? MTR2.4 appears to allow that, and I seem to recall that we talked about it before in some forum or other.

-Eric
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From: Andrew Heckt
To: eshukan@verizon.net
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: Can a player who wins 2 games concede 1-2? (Competitive REL)


To be clear, he completed game 2 by winning and player B never won before, and he wants to report a completely different result for game 2 and the never would have occurred to happen game 3?

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From: Eric Shukan <forum-9729-a1f1@apps.magicjudges.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 11:11 AM
To: Heckt, Andy
Subject: Can a player who wins 2 games concede 1-2? (Competitive REL)


Hi, all. I'm verifying that MTR2.4 permits the following situation: Player A wins the first 2 games in a match, but then he wants to leave. In order to allow Player B to have a chance in the tourney, player A chooses to let Player B win the match, and the players fill out the match slip 1-2 in B's favor. There is no bribery of any sort, no dealmaking, just that Player A wants to go home. Is this allowed? I believe that it is according to MTR2.4, but I want to verify. Probably would need an ruling here at some point. Thanks! -Eric

MTR 2.4 Conceding or Intentionally Drawing Games or MatchesIf a game or match is not completed, players may concede or mutually agree to a draw in that game or match. A match is considered complete once the result slip is filled out or, if match slips are not being used, a player leaves the table after game play is finished. Until that point, either player may concede to or draw with the other, though if the conceding player won a game in the match, the match must be reported as 2-1. Intentional draws are always reported as 0-0-3.

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April 26, 2014 04:12:54 PM

Scott Marshall
Forum Moderator
Judge (Level 4 (Judge Foundry)), Hall of Fame

USA - Southwest

Can a player who wins 2 games concede 1-2?

We've always (?) allowed a player to concede a match at any point before submitting the result or leaving the table, so the only way for that to happen in certain situations - like this one - is to allow a retroactive concession of game 2.

I know we don't want that match reported 2-0, but 2-1 seems legal.

d:^D